Transcript [EN]: Catherine Fitts: Power Grids, Bankers vs. the West, Secret Underground Bases, and Extinction Events

the US economy and financial system is the leader globally in laundering dirty money i said to this wonderful group let's pretend there's a big red button up here on the lectern and if you push that button you can stop all hard narcotics trafficking tomorrow who here will push the button and out of a 100 people dedicated to evolving our society spiritually guess how many would push the button i don't know one you suggested the control grid is in part designed to manage the population so if you want to move people to a much lower economic footprint having complete control is obviously very convenient okay so the bottom line is the majority is about to get a lot poorer so the question is where is all this money going and one of the things I've looked at is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built what would be the purpose i think if you're worried about a near extinction event [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] so thank you for doing this um you get and I know you've worked on this for years but you get the sense if you're just a sort of aware person that there is a concerted attempt by governments around the world to digitize commerce and to digitize currency and to basically control people through money correct that correct okay so that was my first question is this happening am I imagining it it's absolutely happening and what's important to understand it's been happening for a long time in other words this is like a an invisible corral that's that they've been building around you for a long long time because the you know how do a few sneak up on the many well you have to do it very quietly and visibly before you throw the trap so so essentially what they're building because it's converting a currency system into a control system so it's really the end of currency and and what they're doing is they've been building the different digital pieces and when it integrates and comes together then you literally have a digital concentration camp it's complete and utter control otherwise known as the world it's here's the thing to understand we you and I grew up in a world where there was mass media where you were pitching stories you know so you had 57 varieties of ice cream and you're pitching them to 57 different niches but you're still pitching to mass audiences what we're talking about is a system where you can surveil control and influence one person at a time and with AI and software each person can have their custom surveillance influence nudging and control system and punishment yes enforcement because ultimately if you control money you can starve people to death you can kill them right so go back and think of the pandemic so if I say you can't go more than a mile from your home and I say you can't you have to be mandated a pharmaceutical then if you don't take the pharmaceutical I can turn off your money if you go more than a mile away from your home your money and your credit cards won't work so if you know whatever rules I lay down there's a wonderful uh wonderful example the head of the bank of international settlements is the central bank of central banks and it's been running the process to implement basically an all digital monetary system and they have innovation hubs all over the world they've been running this process for a long time and in 2020 when the pandemic started or it was October 2020 so the pandem pandemic was underway the general manager of the Bank of International Settlements was on an IMF panel and in one minute it's first time in my life I ever saw a central banker tell the truth i fell off my chair and he said "You know the beauty of this is we can set the rules on how your money works and we have the technology to enforce them." And what he was saying is literally from one place in you know anywhere in the world where the technology exists you can track each person individually you can set a a complex list of rules you know like legislation regulation and administrative policy and you can enforce them all with a technology with AI and software so have you ever seen there's a wonderful movie called the um the lives of others about the German Stazzy and surveillance it's about a group of artists and sort of creative talented people who are under surveillance by the German Stazzy and you see what it's like to be under surveillance for 24/7 think of each one of us we're all under surveillance not just by governments but by corporations who are trying to do something and it may not be anything nefarious so 80 different companies are trying to sell you something or 80 different companies are trying to get your data for some reason and and so they have AI and software bots that track you and follow you and learn from you and try and influence what you do because they're trying to extract some kind of value from you and literally think of you know being attacked by a swarm of bees we're surrounded now by a swarm of AI software bots all trying to learn from us extract something from us or get us to do something now when you go to an all digital system then there's no escape and then they can start literally to enforce rules they do now so So what are the um manifestations of this that maybe we're not paying attention to or don't perceive for what they are so look at what they did to the Canadian truckers we don't like what you're doing we cut off your money and we cut off your friends money and if people help you we cut off their money too so I've had I've known so many different people around the country who've been debbanked we just got legislation passed in Tennessee that a bank over a certain size couldn't debank someone for political or religious reasons you know and and you you're one of the things that's happening there's no such federal law not that I know of but I haven't look I've been working with the states because ultimately the the one power currently under the Constitution in the United States that can stop this the powers not delegated to the federal government by the states are reserved to the states in other words the states are technically more powerful than the federal government and under the Constitution they have the power to override the federal government on many different issues including healthcare and so one of the tensions we see in America is more and more there is a debate between the feds and and the states about who has what power so we've seen all a lot of the conservative AGs and um treasurers pushing back in a in a wonderful way in a marvelous way um the challenge they have is this and this was said to me by a senator in Northern Ohio northern Ohio has one of the best groups of sort of freedom fighting legislators in the country and as you probably know because you know Montana it's very beautiful and um you talk about Montana uh Idaho Idaho okay so so but it's right you know it's right next to Montana so one of the Idaho senators said to me he said my problem every time I fight to implement the constitution he said what I learn is that every year we send a dollar to Washington and every year Washington sends back $1.19 and when I say I want to implement the Constitution my constituents say to me I'd rather have the 19 so what we've been watching literally since World War II is the federal government and a very you know large s both monetary and fiscal policy buying people out of the constitution and buying the whole federal I mean the federal government is right now so operating so far outside the law it's you know you know how unbelievable it is so that's the challenge before us if we want to be free you know we're going to have to decide we're not going to let ourselves be you know it's it's like being um sort of walked into the slaughter house we're not going to walk into the slaughter house and but you don't even I I guess what bothers me about it there's something wonderfully straightforward horrifying but wonderfully straightforward about just a conventional invasion where people show up with guns and tell you what to do because at least you know who the enemy is but there's something very scary in an insidious way about being lulled into slavery right and the thing to understand about the lulling is the lulling the marketing plan works one person at a time in other words you know you I buy with money your friend I buy by knocking them off or the other you know your other friend I I get a control file on so there are thousands of different ways of nudging buying carrots and sticks to get everybody into the control into into the trap and and what is so insidious about this is much of the marketing plan is invisible and it's and it really is crafted one by one uh the odds seem overwhelming against the average person in a system that you just described so um how far are we from not being able to exercise constitutional freedoms so I don't know how many years they're clearly pushing to have this done by 2030 and you know what I do have to say is if you look at what it takes to stop it I believe they're going to fail now what I don't underestimate is how much damage they could do and the you know the failure may not come in time to save America so if we could just stop and define terms who is they uh I the central bankers yes right so we we have a democratic republic or we have a republic and use this democratic process what happened in 1913 is the bankers took control of monetary policy what they're trying to do now is take control of fiscal policy once they get control of fiscal policy it's going to be much harder to reverse it can you um I'm going to ask a series of really dumb questions i hope you'll indulge me what's the difference taxation without representation but between fiscal and monetary policies okay monetary policy is I control the process by which currency is issued including through credit so so I generally govern and control credit issuance yes and and and from that the currency the creation and management of the currency fiscal policy is one I control the taxes and the borrowing of the US government now because the central bank basically operates the borrowing you know it's the the borrowing shared but this comes down as the you know this is the Boston Tea Party moment can they tax without representation so I'll give you a little story during the Biden administration Biden nominated somebody for control of currency who was ultimately not approved uh the Republicans in the Senate killed uh the nomination before she was nominated three weeks before she wrote an article in the Vanderbilt Law Review that said "The great thing about central bank digital currency," in other words an all digital currency system is you have the perfect tool to deal with inflation if inflation gets out of hand you just freeze everybody's bank accounts nice right right right you know so it it's it's um so in inflation is a creation of monetary it's the effect of monetary policy it's like something that somebody did to you well there are two things that cause inflation so one is monetary policy uh uh managing monetary policy in a way that creates in monetary inflation but you also have and we're going through it now what I call del globalization where you have real increases in the cost of goods so my cost of goods are going up and it's not because they're issuing you know too much currency relative to growth it's because we are reversing globalization globalization created a whole lot of lower costs for a variety of reasons so if you had severing of supply chains for example that would cause inflation because it just costs more to get the materials and the goods right and and it's not just higher prices it's you know some products a lot of products stop being economic and just go away so you know when you hiccup supply chains especially if you do it by shock doctrine or shock and all which is what we're watching now you know it wrecks havoc so think of it like a a a flotilla of ships that need to turn if the aircraft carrier doesn't let everybody know they're turning then the the boats aren't ready to turn and you have boats smashing into each other you sink a lot of ships doing that you sink a lot of ships um so leaving aside whether that was wise or not that's what we're doing right um so you get inflation out of that of course you're absolutely right if if oil prices go up you get inflation cuz right and that deglobalization started in the financial crisis so you know so it's accelerating now but it's not that we just started it how did it start during in 2008 yes yes cuz why because for several reasons but one is we were trying to exercise more and more control through the dollar system and we've always exercised a lot of power and control and and extracted a subsidy from the dollar system but you have more and more people trying to get out of the system and um the financial crisis that first the Asian crisis in 97 was a real wake up to Asia you know you you need to create more resiliency but more and more things happened and then in 2008 it started to accelerate with the creation of the you know as the bricks started to organize and work to sort of pull out of the idea was you've got a world economy based on the dollar the people who issue and administer the dollar are not running things responsibly therefore we need a separate safe haven there the people running the dollar system want a unipolar model yeah the US wants a unipolar model and we don't want to be part of a unipolar model because we don't want if you look at the level of subsidy they're extracting we don't want that level of of subsidy extracted and if you look at some of the rules and regulations we don't want to be a part of it so we in India the the I don't know if you ever saw one of the greatest explanations of globalization ever given sir James Goldsmith came to the United States in 1994 and he did an interview with Charlie Rose and he described why we should never approve the Uruguay round of GAT and institute the WTO and he to this day he nailed nailed it perfectly if you could summarize his argument what would it be he said "We are going to hollow out the middle class in the west and we are going to devastate our culture." All to make our culture yes our culture we're going to devastate our culture and we're going to devastate the quality of the food supply he said that yes so now those are my words of way of saying it you should watch it and I I think to this day I think it's the best description and and if you read my online book and you listen to Sir James Goldmith what they both describe is the fact we knew we knew what we were in other words the leadership knew how that this would destroy or devastate the West so why' they do it that's the $64,000 question they hate the West defenders of the West no I don't think they are i think one of the reasons they did it is I think they wanted to create the capacity and centralize the capital they needed to go into space and I think they knew that they would need every hundred or so years the central bankers do a reset and I think they knew they were coming into a reset and and they felt with this technology that they you know if they didn't globalize someone else would and and they wanted to control the process to go they needed the money to go into space mhm the capital well I don't even know what that means so I think they wanted to build the capacity to become a multilanetary civilization really spring and summer are here that's good news it means you get to go outside and frolic in the sunshine unfortunately there's a downside burglars are psyched for the longer days it means fewer people are home and that gives them more chances to break in and steal your stuff this is not our imagination fbi crime data backs it up more daylight means more burglaries that's bad but there is a solution you can leave your house feeling secure with Simply Safe this is a really cool idea millions of Americans use this it's the highest standard in home security you get peace of mind every time you leave so a traditional burglar alarm system the kind maybe you already have only sets off when someone has already broken into your house that's not good smashed a window come through the basement door whatever simply Safe prevents intrusions before they happen it doesn't with AI powered cameras and live professional agents monitoring it leaves nothing to chance plans for Simply Safe start around a dollar per day so it's not crazy expensive at all visit Simplysafe that's simlisafe.com/tucker and get 50% off a new system with professional monitoring you get your first month for free that's simplysafe.com/tucker there was no safe like Simplysafe man I was caught up in such minutia in 1994 i I never heard anybody say that i had no idea that was happening so I became I didn't become convinced of that in 1994 i became convinced were you still working for the federal government in '94 uh uh my company was the lead financial adviser for the Department of Housing and Urban Development and I was trying to clean up the mortgage corruption and what I ran smack into is that they were clearly and intentionally setting up the infrastructure to dramatically increase mortgage fraud intentionally mortgage fraud is a public private partnership between the New York Fed member banks and the and the federal government so so the Treasury and the Fed were clearly engineering a massive new mortgage bubble and essentially I was doing a series of things and and that mortgage bubble was going to centralize capital and I was working on a whole plan coming out of the Bush administration we were taking all our profits and investing in building a software infrastructure that would help communities decentralize political and economic power but in a way that would create new great wealth and one of the projects we had was we were working with uh I had a subsidiary that had a a project working with the top pension fund leaders in the country and and essentially our job was to figure out how the pension funds could invest so that they could handle this baby boomer demographic going through the pension and retirement system and um and and how we could do it how they could invest their money because they're operating at such a size that it would be good for America you know how do you build a stronger America in a way that helps the baby boomers you know live in retirement and um I made a presentation in the spring of 1997 to we were at a big money management firm outside of Pennsylvania and one of the board members was a money manager who worked with a lot of the pension funds and so we had all these top corporate and state pension fund leaders and I made a presentation and we had done a simulation of re-engineering the Philadelphia economy to achieve this and um the top pension fund leader looked at me and he said "Oh my god you know this is very similar to what we tried long ago and it didn't work." And I said "You didn't have the internet you didn't have the tools to get the average person's learning metabolism high enough you know on an economic basis to do that we had built a data servicing company in lowinccome communities and we were able to show how easily we could get the labor force or people on welfare off of welfare and make making lots of money and being very productive at high speed and and he looked at me and he said "You don't understand it's too late." I said "What do you mean it's too late?" He said "They've given up on the country they're moving all the money out starting in the fall." He said "You've got to get to Nick Brady." Nick had been my I had been a partner at Dylan Reed and Nick had been the chairman of Dylan Reed before he became Secretary of Treasury and at that point Nick is out but you know sort of involved anyway he said you you've got to get to Nick and let him know it's not hopeless this can all be turned around and um and I thought he meant we the pension funds have been instructed to reinvest equity and reallocate our equity into the emerging markets which made sense because they had a much higher growth rate um what I didn't realize then was and I realized shortly thereafter in October of 1997 that's the beginning of the 1998 fiscal year huge enormous amounts of money started go started disappearing from the US government and literally um by the time of 911 there was 4.1 trillion missing from DoD and HUD and if you remember the day before 911 Donald Rumsfeld stood up and and basically said he he did a press conference and he said there's 2.3 trillion in undocumentable adjustments last year at DoD and we're missing money and it's you know it's worse than terrorism and then of course I was working with a report on a huge story that would have published that Friday after 911 about the missing money we'd been working on it for over a year and she'd done nine stories i'd helped her do nine stories because we were trying to get the general accounting office um now that now they call it to the general accountability office but we were trying to get both Congress and the GAO to do something about it and to try and stop it and um anyway as you know yeah priorities changed um for reasons that we still don't understand and there was well I don't think the average person the average person I think sort of thinks well maybe there were 19 guys from Saudi or something i call the Patriot Act the the control and concentration of cash flow act because what one of the things that happened after 9/11 if you if you look at the history of the black budget and sort of secret financing that the government uses for secret and classified projects that pot of money had grown and grown and grown and it it had become very dysfunctional to try and get that money mortgage fraud to I believe was one of the biggest sources and that's why what I was doing sort of went into the heart of the problem but um uh the Patriot Act and that whole process was very successful at moving a lot more money onto the budget in other words it made it much easier to get enormous amounts of money for the national security state um as a result of what happened now you know whenever you do an operation like this you stack functions so it's only one of many goals but it was very successful boy it went all went right over my head um I thought it was all about Muhammad i had no idea i know you're laughing um I want to tell you my church story wait hold on there's so many threads here um yeah there's a lot of threads yeah there's a lot of threads i just want to I don't want to let it continue to hang in the air this question of space you sort of threw that out parenthetically but like what I've never heard that before so you believe going back 30 years that people in the US government and in the finance world wanted money for Yeah it wasn't US government it was the central banking if you look at the c if you look at the group of people who meet through the BIS the bank the BIS is the bank of international settlements and it's the central bank of central banks where is that located it's in Basil Switzerland and um it has 63 of the most powerful in uh central banks as its members and the New York Fed and the Fed are both shareholders they became shareholders in 1994 in one sentence what's the what's the purpose of the Bank of International Settlements okay so there are two things you need to know about the Bank of International Settlements i'm not sure my brain's big enough for this but keep going it is okay it has sovereign immunity what does that mean it's above the law it's its own country right it's its own country it has its own police force and essentially other than one of its staff being in a car accident or you know minor things no one has the legal authority to move against it okay it has sovereign immunity that's number one number two it can move money and hold it on its bank uh on its balance sheet and manage money secretly so if I want to I'm and I'm grossly oversimplifying if I want to steal 21 trillion from the US government and park it on the balance sheet of the BIS it can move it anywhere in the world and it can keep it on its balance sheet secretly why would there be an organizational first of all where does its power like who empowered it to have sovereign immunity in the right was created after World War I and and and sort of collected its powers and got going in the 30s and it was created in theory to manage the reparations of the German government but if you read the real history it was because the Bank of England and the central bankers wanted an entity that had sovereign immunity they wanted to be able to move money secretly so for example if you look at what happened during World War II and all the money that was moving back and forth between the Germans and Americans you know Dulles was over in Switzerland helping to match these all these transfers back and forth so there's a wonderful book called The Tower of Basil by a wonderful Hungarian journalist where he documents and describes the whole history of the bank of international settlements and if you want to understand power in this world understanding the how the bank of international settlements and the and the plumbing of the central banking system works is very very important i've always been worried that if I knew more that I would become mentally ill no no so I just have to say that reality is sort of the door that you open to find real solutions so there are real solutions and and the biggest obstacle to implementing them is nobody wants to face it so I used to have a pastor who was nobody wants to face the truth of how things nobody wants to face the truth and I understand that because the hardest thing I ever had to do Tucker was look in the mirror and say "I'm the psy i was the assistant secretary of housing i didn't know." And I went along and I didn't face this i should have seen this faster i should have said "I'm the psy." And it was it it's sometimes it's harder than facing death to admit that you've been part of you know a big lie and you've been tricked as someone who advocated for the Iraq war on television I I've lived this to some extent oh no yes I did well you know you part of facing this is you have to forgive yourself you really have to but I used to have a pastor who would say "If we can face it God can fix it." Because you have to understand we can't fix it there are many many things we can do to change the course and I believe ultimately freedom can prevail and there's many things we can do to help that happen but ultimately this is a spiritual war and you have to call on God you have to call on the divine and that's where the battle is ultimately going to be decided and that means literally I believe this is true the divine intelligence cannot go to work unless we're willing to face it you know we have to look at it we have to pray we have to ask for help and we have to deal with it and the solutions the real solutions will be cultural there'll be millions of people acting in their own life refusing to be controlled you know individually so very very wise what you just said i think it's true and and thank you for saying that i want to just go one more time to the space question so you said that um people with power uh at the central banks decided that we need to sort of colonize space or move towards space did that happen so here's what happened and we have two wrap-ups and I think I sent them to you one is uh we published in 2015 called Space Here We Go and it's got a picture of a businessman you know taking off in a spaceship and then we in 2017 after a couple of the big investment banks wrote big things about space investment we wrote one called the space-based economy and then we we track space on solar report so I would refer refer you to that but I think um I think you know first of all you've seen a lot of capital centralized into um a few billionaires who then reinvest that money in space so Musk Bezos you know so clearly there's a centralization of capital and a reinvestment so the idea of space is what I mean just biggest possible picture why would you be interested in space i say this as someone who's not right so so let me give you a couple reasons why first of all you're looking for the miners are looking for a variety of different resources so there are practical reasons if you can get the cost down that you would want to do asteroid mining um the big one the big economic one is control is most easily implemented by satellites so you want to put up a whole ring of satellites that combined with telecommunications can basically help run the control grid and not just the control grid in the west the control grid if you're going to shift huge amounts of money globally how are you going to track and enforce that your money is being properly invested well you need a control grid globally so I I think that's part of it the last thing and I don't know the answer to this is I think there is real concern about geohysical risks and one way to deal with that is to make sure we don't bet the ranch on one planet so to that if we could just linger on that thank you for that um that all makes sense uh if we could just linger on one question so geohysical risks so we've been lectured for I don't know 30 years now about climate change climate change is obviously an ongoing feature of life on this planet the glaciers it's just enough so well of course it's enough and I think we you know people have figured that out um but but that doesn't mean that smart highly informed people aren't worried about geohysical risks they are and I know some of them are so what do you think those risks are that that honest smart people who are interested in self-preservation and thriving like what are the risks they're worried about so I think I think the first is a solar minimum where you get big drops in the economy and the agriculture and you can't feed the population right so because there are changes in climate because of the distance of the earth from the sun right and that changes right so we know throughout history we go through periods of solar minimum solar minimum is the name I think it's called solar minimum I'm not an expert in any of this so um so they are worried about climate change but they don't think it's coming from your suburban Right it's not coming from human behavior now there there are environmental problems coming from human behavior and those are that's for sure right so so so so that's one um and do you think that risk is real i don't know for the record I I I have one friend who's very well informed who has convinced me that that is real that they're that they're very concerned about water if if you look at the history you know of solar minimums and you look at what it does to you know there was a Russian I I can't remember if he's an economist or science that did a lot of research on the stock market and solar activity you know and the the if you're the central bankers and you're in charge of managing the financial system that that reality would make me very nervous so okay so I think I you know I think there's something there worth understanding the other thing is every it appears to me if you go back through history um every 10,000 12,000 years we have you know some kind of huge disaster an extinction event an extin a near extinction event so I don't know if you've ever read the science fiction book threebody problem no it's fascinating it's a one of the top Chinese science fiction uh and and it's about um uh a I've read no Chinese science fiction okay i'm feeling very ignorant this morning no no no no because I Here's the thing i'm just trying to figure out what in the world's going on yeah amen we'll start in the same place and so that always as you know that always leads you to the most it does right it does right so in one I think it was I think the thing that got me to read threebody problem was um Obama made some cryptic comment about people ought to read this book it was like hint hint you know here are the problems I'm dealing with and the three-body problem is about um uh uh other bodies that come into the solar system and you it's there it's impossible to predict their trajectory and then when they do they create this catastrophic flooding and earthquakes and all this other stuff anyway but but I think that there whether it's a pole shift magnetic pole shift is one of the you know theories of what causes these events um but there is a history of near extinction events and one of the things that I've looked at because I'm trying to figure out you know when TWW between 19 uh fiscal 1998 and fiscal 2015 there were 21 trillion of undocumentable adjustments in the US government if you go to our website missingmoney.solier.com we have years and years of documentation including the government financials that show this and so the question is where's all this money going and one of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built and I'm sorry yes so so we have built an extraordinary number of underground bases and supposedly transportation systems some of these are a record of some of these are documented as part of the national security infrastructure i think there are many more so um in the United States in the United States and all over the world but um in uh from 2021 to 2023 I took one of the smartest subscribers in the Celier report network and he and I spent two years collecting all the data and all the allegations on underground basis and then we um we systematically went through and tried to estimate our guess this is totally a guess of how many underground bases both underground in the United States but also underground under the ocean around the United States and our estimate was 170 with a transportation network connecting them and what would be the purpose the purpose if you thought you were going to get a near extinction event so so there to me there are two purposes you have so many activities going on that you need to keep secret that you're basically building the capacity to for example if you're doing a secret space program you need to platform it from you know things that can't be seen but I think if you're worried about a near extinction event you know that's so I know nothing about this other my only window into it um I knew a contractor who worked on one in Washington in the city of Washington DC and Um I remember him telling me about a power box like a transformer box on Constitution Avenue that he told me cuz he worked on it personally uh was actually the exit the egress from the White House that was kind of by vehicle i thought that was I was like really oh yeah no I I installed it i know and I thought well that's kind of crazy that in the middle of this big city where I live I lived in I was on Constitution Avenue every day that you could build something like that without me knowing it under the VP's house at the Naval Observatory same thing i think most people know that next to my brother's house on Mcome Street in DC so also so like but that's I always thought that was like preparation for nuclear war like I didn't really think about it that much some of it yeah but it's it's preparation for catastrophe so but you think that there are um facilities like that in other places outside DC oh yeah so if you're interested we have a great interview i did an interview of Richard Dolan on underground bases on the salary report and it's sort of an introduction to the topic and it's based on a lot of the research of a guy named Richard Solder who is very hard to interview so Richard kind of went through all the material and and um you know clearly it's I don't know if you ever saw Washington Post did a a project it was in 2010 or 12 called Top Secret America and one of the reporters it was a team of two reporters one of them put together a database of all the different top secret installations that had been built in the country including since the Patriot Act and what you saw was just this explosion of money in building so many both underground and above ground facilities not all sleep aids are made by pharmaceutical companies you probably 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to eight.com/tucker to get 350 bucks off your pod for ultra full refund for 30 days if you don't love it it works just as a theological matter I hate to say this but I think it's true if you're building a lot underground you're on the wrong side i just don't I don't think that's a good sign so I'll tell you a very funny I mean right i mean like just like let's just the obvious first that's not good so I'll tell you a very funny story um so in uh after I left the administration uh after I left the Bush administration I went on the board of Sally May and um I'm on the board of Sally May and after one of the first meetings there's a wonderful stop I don't I you've been talking about underground bases and colonizing space and you clearly seem totally sane but I'm sure some people like well she's obviously crazy i should have set the stage at the beginning with your biography like you're as mainstream you're on the board of Sally Sally May you're a partner at Dylan Reed it's like right you're not just like on the internet right i'm sorry i just want to say that i just want to say that this is like a former high level federal official who was on the board of Sally May and a partner at Dylan Reed okay just want to say it out loud okay so so I'm on the board and there was a lovely chairman a really lovely guy and he comes up he he says "Can I talk to you after the meeting?" And I said "Sure." And he pulls out this big glossy brochure for the Council on Foreign Relations and he said "The time has come for you to join." And he said "We want you to ask Nick Nick Brady to sponsor you." And I said to him you know Sam I just don't want to do this i I I just I I really don't want to do this and he looked shocked and he said "You don't understand if you don't do this you're out forever." And just at that moment just at that moment you know it's it's these moments when things come to you i saw in my mind I'm very pictorial i saw in my mind a locker in the underground base and they were taking my name off of the locker and I thought I thought you know if it comes to that I'll take my chances upstairs with the way yeah me too and I said and but it's this it's a you know something it's at the deepest root it's a spiritual and cultural question totally agree who who's cowering underground like in the dark places no there's but to to me there's nothing wrong with going into a bunker if they're bombing okay you know I don't have a problem with that but I I really didn't want to be with all of them in a concentrated space it was like no I'd rather And you know them this is you're not guessing at this like you know a lot of these people i know a lot of these people and the one thing I will have to say if there's anything I learned from my history the problem is not they are bad and we are good that's not how this works the evil and the good is threaded at every level of society every community every enterprise it it doesn't work like that well I'm not especially good i know that i know that for a fact so I think you're pretty good yeah but of course you know more about yourself than anyone else does and I know that what a flawed person I am so I'll never declare myself on right on uh you know I'll never say God's on my side i'll say I want to be on God's side but it's an open question well it's a journey it's never over right and and we're not perfect and it's you try every day to do as good as you can you know and it's like baseball you get some hits some days and some days you strike out so um but you believe that there's a whole constellation of underground bases built by the US government uh in the United States like that fact alone just the physical infrastructure of it because normally talk about what are they doing enormously expensive what's unbelievable and like it raises lots of practical questions how do you ventilate them what about food and water supply you know where's the energy are we using breakthrough energy or where's the energy come right right because I'm sure that we have the ability to to produce breakthrough energy at very low cost you know if you go back sure of that um my Dutch partners uh I met because they were doing a series of conferences on breakthrough energy and they brought together breakthrough energy inventors from around the world and you know you can see all the videos up on the internet and and really went through the history from Tesla on of different inventors who have discovered and claimed different innovations with breakthrough energy and I'm convinced that this energy exists and I'm also convinced if you look at a lot of the really fast ships you know flying around the planet you know that they you know they're not using classical electricity right so so you know they're not running on diesel right exactly right so um yeah so we know that these I'm sorry to I get so caught up in the details but we know that there are quite a number of large underground bases in the United States we can't state that as fact right and then the question becomes of course like if they're connected to the power grid you know if they're pulling off just a conventional natural gas electricity generation station you could like know that measure it but you think they have independent energy sources of course they do so one of the one of the questions I have that I think is really important is when you look at breakthrough energy if you were running the planet so I have this nickname for the committee at the top Mr global if you were Mr global you would not want to implement breakthrough energy on a widespread basis for a variety of reasons one of which is everybody got a hold of it and weaponized it it could be very dangerous why um my understanding is that um uh literally one small group of people could take this you know with no sovereign powers or you know just organized crime and use it in a way that could weaponize it and make it very dangerous i don't I I'm not a scientist i don't really understand right but energy by definition is dangerous you know gasoline is dangerous right right electricity is dangerous of course nuclear energy is dangerous right but if you're if you're if you're the risk manager and you're charge of managing the planet you know this has more disruption capability both weaponization economic you know suddenly everybody's free to do whatever they want so they're much harder to control so so if you're Mr global and you have the capacity to dramatically lower the energy cost the other danger is then population skyrockets and you you're concerned about that so if you're Mr are global and you're worried about what will happen if you bring this technology out it's very convenient to get complete control if you don't trust the population to be environmentally responsible or politically responsible then complete control so I have a we have a good mutual friend who's been bothering me for years to interview you you've got to interview her so cle well just cuz he's he said this is like the best informed smartest most reasonable mainstream sane person I know of you he said this and I was like yeah okay anyway I'm just really glad we did this interview cuz you're blowing my mind up and down um uh so how convinced are you that breakthrough energy alternate forms of energy non-publicly disclosed forms of energy are in use by the US government i think there's a very high chance that that they're in some kind of use in a very controlled secret way yeah well there are tons of indications and you've had right a number of people like at the contractor level like I'm a federal contractor electrician or a you know concrete guy or whatever and I was working on this underground facility there are a number of people who come forward to say this and I saw what appeared to be some brand new form of energy I didn't understand right and sane people too sean Ryan who's a friend of mine wonderful guy honest man who's a podcaster interviewed did an interview with this guy who was just like a just a random bluecollar guy i think he was a concrete guy you know and he got a call for a million yards of concrete or whatever and went to this underground facility DoD facility and saw clearly signs of some energy source that was you know defied the laws of known physics so uh and there are a bunch of people have said stuff like that so I don't think it's crazy so I have a one of I have two businesses one is the cer report the other is salary screens i do an investment screen and I think you know a lot has to shift in investment if we're going to have a real civilization and not misallocate i think we're misallocating capital terribly anyway but he he for 30 years has been an investor in a breakthrough energy company someone you know has been Yeah yeah and and it's called Brilliant Light can go look at their website you know and and they're really you know they swear they've got it and what is it don't ask me you got to get him on and so um you think this money has been taken by people who've really thought through the future and are determined to survive it so I think I call it a financial coup i think what happened was when the budget deal busted in 1995 they gave up on the government they just said you know this form of government will not work as a governance structure to manage the dollar system they're right about that and and you know they just felt it was impossible if you're a risk manager you got to turn the aircraft carrier before you hit the iceberg and that could be 20 years before do you know what I mean and they just felt that the system wasn't working and it required to get consensus you just had to dumb people down and buy them off and it just wasn't working so I think they decided okay we're going to re-engineer government on the just do it method the first thing we're going to do is we're going to pull all the money out we're gonna put the government in a debt trap and then we'll squeeze it and shift to the control model and it was a financial coup and it started in fiscal 1998 so it started literally October 1st 1997 by 2015 they had had 21 tr we had reports in their financials of 21 trillion of undocumentable adjustments from a cash standpoint you know it could be 50 it could be 50 trillion or 10 trillion there's no way to tell unless you can get access to the bank records and then what happened was Dr mark Skidmore of Michigan State University and I published a study sort of a survey we had done thanks to him and his students that announced that we were up to the 21 trillion at that point then the next step that happened remember the Kavanaaugh hearings very well okay what you don't remember is during the Kavanaaugh hearings the White House the Senate the um House Republican and Democrat all of them together instituted issued an administrative policy called Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56 yeah I did miss that i'll just say you did miss that yeah I I was busy watching cabinet yell about his teenage drinking or whatever and what that policy said is as a matter of administrative policy we do not have to obey the constitutional provisions related to financial budgeting and disclosure we do not have to obey the laws and we do not have to obey the regulations what we can do is appoint a secret group of people by a secret process to move money out of the financial disclosures of the United States and 150 so it's the 24 covered agencies plus approximately 150 governmental entities and when you throw in the classification laws and the um the national security laws it also applies to the big banks and contractors working for the US government now let me explain what this means as a matter of investment when I look at the US large cap stock market or the US bond market the Treasury market I have no financial disclosure that has any meaning everything's secret i have no idea what it means if I pick up the financials of a New York Fed member bank that is running the New York the US Treasury Department's bank accounts or if I pick up the Treasury financial statements they're meaningless they don't mean anything what's missing you can't know all you can know is a secret group of people can move whatever make whatever they want go missing and you can't know what it is it's all secret so I'm I'm looking at half the cake but I don't know what what part of the cake is missing so it it's meaningless you don't even know if it is half right i I don't it it's you know it it has reached a level of absurdity where and but but the absurd thing is as a legal matter to take the position that an administrative policy agreed upon by the uni party can overrule the constitution can overrule the laws and can overrule the regulations simply by you know like the you know you you wave the wand and suddenly magically law doesn't matter i mean now you're talking and and you also saw this in in the financial crisis a decision was made by Eric Holder in the Department of Justice to not prosecute HSBC there's a wonderful uh video on the best evidence channel by John Titus about this whole thing and basically what they said is a systemically important this is under the BIS there's a definition under the BIS under the financial stability board of a financially systemically important institution right these institutions are free to break the law with no they're free to break the law at most all they have to do is kick back a piece of the profits to the Department of Justice so it's like a a formal kickback system and what you're saying is that you're taking the sovereign immunity of the BIS and through the New York Fed extending it to the banks that are running these operations JP Morgan and the rest Bank of America yeah right so so what you're what you've done with the BIS the IMF the World Bank the UN you've created all these different organizations and if you look at we we did like 40 in Latin America we've created an international overlay of organizations that have various forms of sovereign immunity of course the big one being the BIS and so if they are free to break the law I mean if you if you look at the financial crisis what you're saying is these companies can lose trillions of dollars have it replaced by the taxpayer and keep on going so now is the point of the conversation where I have to ask the obvious question which is who are these people so can you name some of the people who you believe are making these decisions whose whose decisions are effectively as you just said above the law have effective immunity right so so that's the question sort of who is Mr global and and my experience is the bureaucracy that that sort of runs things is the central banking bureaucracy so we've described the BIS and the central bankers so think of the planet as a house so you have the house then you have financing the house that's the mortgage then you have the insurance and you know if you don't have the insurance then your e then you have the equity in the house right and and the insurance layer is very very important to make sure that the equity is protected right okay so you got the real assets you've got the banking system you've got the insurance system and then you've got the owners so in my experience if you go to the BIS and you look at the systemically important institutions and the members you know that's the bureaucracy that runs the debt and the transaction system so the you know the transactions because the whole thing depends on being able to swap and and transact the insurance group is very important for the reasons you just described same as on your house and then the question is who are the real owners and that's the mystery and I've spent my whole life trying to figure out who are the real owners and basically from what experience I've had if you know their name they're not one of the important owners do you know what I mean it's it's intergenerational pools of capital now here's what's interesting one of the most powerful pools of intergenerational capital that I've ever dealt with is the Harvard Endowment and if you look at the squabble going on over who controls the Harvard endowment right now it's a very interesting squabble can you summarize it well you have you have the Trump administration and the Department of Justice now in a lawsuit with Harvard over who has what powers over Harvard's policies but I think the big the big fight is not the you know in asymmetrical warfare the fight is never what the fight's really about the real fight is about who controls the So Harvard Corporation the university is only a portion of the Harvard Corporation the Harvard Corporation runs the university and it runs the endowment okay and the Harvard Corporation in my experience is one of the most important investment syndicates in the world and because they have a tax exemption they don't have to pay taxes they spin off I think the last time I looked I don't know what it is currently but they spin off about 4% a year for the university which is a lot cheaper than paying taxes and it's a great investment because the university provides all sorts of intellectual and human capital to the investment syndicate you know so it's a very brilliant elegant model and my theory is it was the model that was really created to sort of compete with the the Vatican and the Catholics who had 2,000 years of you know diplomatic immunity and no taxes anyway so so but it is the Harvard Corporation is run by a perpetuating board so so the board members if board member leaves they pick a new board member so it's a perpetu self-perpetuating board and my guess is behind the scenes if there's a fight one of the fight is who gets on that board because then you control a $50 billion plus endowment um and a $50 billion plus endowment which now is has a 39% private equity portfolio and these are you know I I said to on Money and Markets which is our weekly show I said the other week you know if this is a monopoly board that would be Park Place because it's such a flagship in the world of investment it's such a major leader what would happen if the Congress decided in the new tax bill to tax university [Music] endowments which they should do i don't know because because that will happen at the same time something else is going to happen um and these things are going to happen at the same time the thing that's going to rock the universities is if you look at how much money it cost you as a father to put put one child through college you know you're talking about enormous bills and if you look at how far the universities have gotten away from providing a great education it's not a good investment so when I was an investment adviser I used to work with my client's kids and we would literally do something we have a learning plan on Ceri now that came out of this i would literally make them price time and money for each course they took by course and I would ma basically make them say look what do you want to do in this life and what are the skills and tools you need to do it and how are we going to go get those tools with the least amount of your time and the least amount of your parents' money how are we going to really and we would come up with these wild education plans where they would like you know go to San Francisco for this audio video course and then they would be next year in Budapest studying at the university you know cuz you want to you want to you you want kids to learn about the world and and you want them to be you know not provincial stuck in you want them to be educated yeah you want them to be educated anyway but we would come up with these very creative things and what you discover is now in a world of YouTube University and access to extraordinary you know resources all around the world to get a great education the the universities in the United States have gotten unbelievably bloated and unbelievably off track i I think everyone senses that right and they're they're a terrible if you're if you're a loving parent they're a terrible investment you love your children you want your children to be successful if I want my child to be successful in the world we're going into you know whether it turns into a control grid or the control grid as I believe will fail you know you want them to have an outstanding education and and I will tell you bluntly the reason the unipolar model failed is because we don't have a culture that can field and manage that's exactly right we we don't we don't have the human capital to run the world we don't have the human capital but we're teaching our human capital to adopt a culture that that cannot succeed exactly right right right so if you're going to run the world you need Eaton and Sanhurst to to to provide an administrative class that's tough clear thinking has a you know well- definfined mission i don't sacrificing you need Christianity well ex Well both of those you know certainly Eden was a Christian school right you you if you if you're going to be part of a project that is longer than a lifetime then you have to understand that this is about you know at the root this is about your immortal soul and your soul is immortal and that that triggers a very different way of looking at the world and a very different way of thinking and then you have to be able to collaborate across time and space in very powerful ways that takes trust and faith you have to be agreement capable and you can't run a a unipolar model let alone a successful multipolar model unless you're agreement capable so this is Lavro's term and this is what the Russians understood and this is why they whooped our ass in Ukraine they are agreement capable and we are not now we're 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going to get a new system they figured that out 30 years ago the one kind of brick wall that is looming right in the windshield is the debt is the debt meltdown i mean Ray Dio talks about it every single day like we have too much debt people are going to stop buying our debt because it's clearly a bad deal and like what happens then and you suggested the control grid is in part designed to manage the population during that moment maybe or Yeah in part yeah so so if you want to move people to a much lower economic footprint let alone do it on a shocking basis having complete control is obviously very conven okay so the bottom line is everybody's about to get a lot poorer not everybody but a lot the majority is about to get a lot poorer depends on how they do that if you bring out breakthrough energy you can soften the blow there are many things you can do to soften the blow it doesn't have to be like Russia in 90 and 91 that's exactly what it doesn't have to be can they do it that way yes so it comes down to who governs and and do they want to do it you know one of my favorite lines is from Tina Turner she says "We can do this nice or rough." Yeah and we could do it nice and we can do it rough there there are ways of doing the control grid nice and we can do it rough and what are they planning I don't know to a certain extent remember the way in my experience the way they govern is they have targets and goals and then you know you sort of make it up as you go and sometimes it works and so it's very fluid so I wonder if the AI if the data center boom which really is the only sort of crackling sparkling piece of the real estate market right now I think it's building data centers development market um just call them control grids control grids control i mean look I'm they're control nodes i'm totally opposed to it but massive bets economic bets on the success of AI right and the missing piece is energy and how do you power all that and we're already as you pointed out in an analysis I read you have to you have to bring out the breakthrough energy that's what I'm saying so like either they're going to build it on coal deposits in Wyoming or which is going to be kind of hard because they're going to have to say all that climate stuff we've been yelling at you about for 30 years is total now we're burning coal i don't know if they Well there was just an article in Bloomberg that Texas needs 30 new nuclear plants and the Chinese are building enormous numbers of nuclear plants yeah and there are risks in nuclear i mean every I'm a right-winger and I've always defended nuclear but let's be totally honest like it's not risk-free big time well here's the thing how how do you how do you govern and manage nuclear plants with leadership that's not agreement capable completely and and also like in a country that's not turning out enough people in the heart not enough engineers um right so no there are huge problems with that and um but that's like that question is being forced on policy makers like what do you do about energy what do you do about energy what do you and wind and solar like we're going to be laughing about that in 5 years because it's just silly well one of the things you can do about energy is repopulate right right i'm and I know for a fact I'm not guessing at this that there are people running countries around the world who've thought about like what does AI mean for my population means I've got too many people so this is something I know this for a fact i'm not guessing that leaders of countries are talking about between each other like I know that and I'm not saying they're committing genocide or whatever but they know that they're about to hard statistics they are that's exactly right so there's another thing that I don't understand very well i've just listened to people but if you listen to Sean Parker saying "I'm going to live to 145 where there's an interview where the president's son-in-law says you know we're going to be the last generation to die or the first generation to live forever." So you clearly have a group of people biohacking who think they can engage in massive longevity it makes me want to start smoking again i'm just being honest i don't want to be I just want to move I want to pivot away from that level of soul destroying hubris right because that's what that is i'm God no you're not and you're going to find out the hard way that you're not so it does make me want to Right but what I'm saying is if you if you truly believe you can do that and you're not going to allow the general population to do it for environmental reasons then you would be for depopulation of course you know that's totally true so this is again farfield do you think there's evidence that people will be living to 145 i have no idea i don't either i don't really care in other words there's a whole set of scenarios I don't care about i'm interested in freedom and I believe that the only way we can be free is through a culture that embraces the divine and builds true wealth enduring wealth and and living wealth not just financial wealth what is true wealth true wealth well you know because I would say you're truly truly wealthy i feel I am right i don't have that much money but I feel that way well it's an integration of living equity with financial equity and what I learned being a financial adviser is that everyone had been taught to build financial equity and they couldn't integrate it with living equity so you'd you'd work with somebody who was you know worth millions of dollars who said they couldn't afford organic food i was like are you crazy you know the the number one thing that causes a demunition of family wealth is health problems and and you know healthc care fraud and healthcare bankruptcy it's like you know please take a million dollars out of your bank account and start investing in really build you know doing everything you and your family need to be really healthy you know to have perfect water to have great food etc the other thing I discovered was you know everybody was trained to put their money in the national security state instead of helping their kids buy homes and and integrating with you know building the living equity so my mother's family were Quakers and you didn't even think about buying stock until you sent all your kids to the best Quaker schools you know that was like that was first that's Do you think it's a You're dropping so much here i'm just trying to pause like tease out certain themes but you think it's wiser um you know if you have children you care about them to help them buy homes than it is to Absolutely who who's So can I There are two stories I'm dying to tell you please okay during the litigation um you know you get in the situation what litigation so I litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years or actually it it was it was some of that was fisticuffing with the tax guys but anyway so so I had the sort of uh enemy the state process of I had 18 audits investigations um 12 tracks of litigation a smear campaign and physical harassment so they didn't like what you were saying uh they didn't like the idea that I would try and stop the mortgage bubble they really wanted to have a mortgage bubble and and we were doing things to bring disclosure to um to play it's called placebased financials i really believed that if local communities could see how all the money worked in their neighborhood that we could change things so for example I would constantly when I was at the Department of Housing and Urban Development I would find neighborhoods where we were spending 250,000 per unit to build public housing and $50,000 would buy and rehab a defaulted a foreclosed property in the FHA uh uh inventory and so literally if you could just within a four or 10 block area you know take that 250,000 and and and spend it in the way that was most efficient in that place you could get four or five homes for the price of one and it was really amazing i took those numbers we did all sorts of due diligence this is when I was a contractor um to the woman who worked for the guy who ran the $250,000 program and I showed it to her and I said "Look we could you know New Orleans Chicago LA we could get four or five homes for the price of one." And she turned bright red and she said "But how would we generate fees for our friends?" Exactly right or how would we you know pay off foreign countries who flood our our political system with donations if you know if we're actually spending it to like build nice houses for Americans well like repair reading Pennsylvania we could be spending it in wherever disgusting Middle Eastern place so so if you look at placebased financial statements there's extraordinary opportunity to just re-engineer what's already there yeah of course without taking money from anybody else and and making it so I really thought if you if you create so we created a software tool called community wizard that would allow everybody on the internet to just come and download the data and start looking at how the money worked in their places in way that you could see real opportunities okay so let me tell you two stories the the um the litigation starts and literally you go from being very wealthy and very trusted and very respected to being an enemy of the state no one will talk to you nobody answer your phone and suddenly all your income stops all your income stops your credit stops you're just frozen and by yours you mean yours yeah yeah so so uh anyway so you know you you have the assets that you have luckily they never turned off my bank account so I was lucky that way but one of the things that happened was they started I had had a farm in New Hampshire and I sold my share to my uncle i had a wonderful and very wealthy uncle who was like the patriarch and and he bought my And I warned him if you buy this you know they may come after you too and he was a very standup guy very fearless and he said you know I'll deal with that so sure enough um I sell him the farmland they call him and they say you know your niece is a criminal and you shouldn't be doing this blah blah blah blah and um and they said "We want the financial records from the farm we want all the financial records of the farm." And he said "Well send me a letter so I can give it to my lawyer and I'm happy to send them to you." So they you know and this is the summer farm where all the family goes anyway so so instead of sending him a letter they show up at his house in Portsouth New Hampshire at 900 p.m at night three FBI guys and a HUD IG guy with a subpoena and it was designed to scare him so the family had a big pow-wow should they drop me because they don't want to be targeted and um and he said "Well you know uh she always helped us." So it turned out I counted it up at that point I had lent or given to family and friends $250,000 just I made a lot of money i loved making money and people needed help and that's what's money's for so that is what to restate that is what money is for so I just always I hadn't even thought about it by the way your average like 23-year-old NBA player who's floating all of his cousins and single mom he understands that better than your average rich person your obligation is to your family and including with money sorry right some of us are lucky some not amen right so so he said she helped everyone so I'm going to help her and it took 11 years but at the very No it was 2006 so that was about 9 years at at the end of the process when I won the litigation I got a I we got money coming in i sat down to either repay everybody who'd loan me or gifted me money and uh or almost everybody some had just gifted and I I counted it up and what I realized is I had come into the litigation having loaned a quarter of a million and then over the next nine years exactly a quarter of a million had come back and it w it wasn't tit for tat i mean it was different people different thing you know some had got and said well I guess she needs it back and repaid it or some had just gifted it because they knew I'd gifted and literally I put a quarter of a million out and a quarter of a million came back and Tucker if it wasn't for that money I wouldn't be here I would never have made it through and it was because it was the in the people bank and they couldn't shut the people bank off you know they could they could do all sorts of things to shut off all all sorts of resources and income but if It's in the people bank and the people you love and trust you know it comes back so when I love that yeah it's great so when I finished when I when I finished the litigation I had had a 401k that I'd had to bust it had 500,000 in it i'd paid 225,000 in fines and taxes to get it out well they I don't think they thought I they put my 401k under audit so I couldn't use it to finance the business it was dirty tricks anyway so so I take the money out so my accountant when we get the settlement money she said "Let's fund up the 401k." I said "No I'm never going into business with the US government again." No way i I don't I don't want any of those vehicles i'm I'm out and I said but the other thing is I'm taking that 500,000 and I'm bonusing it out on the people bank and I'm going to start a new business and I think that business will be successful so I don't need that 500,000 and it'd be nice but I don't need it but I need to get that money back in the people bank because that is the only bank in this world I trust and so ah that's like a beautiful story well here's the question and I used to always say this with my clients who's going to be there for you right who's going to be there for you that that's the people bank and you want to invest in the people bank now it may not be money it may be time it may be help it may be there's a a wonderful book called Family Wealth by a guy named James Hughes i don't know if you've ever heard of it or seen it and basically what he does my greatuncle didn't like the book so much he said "You're trying to turn our family into a corporation." I said "No I'm not." But it basically teaches a family how to conspire together it basically have a dinner once a month or once a whatever and talk about what's in your heart to do you know this person wants to do this this person wants to do this some things make money some things don't but but but help each other be successful at whatever your passion is and and work as a family you know I always at Ceri we say don't worry about if there is a conspiracy if you're not in one you need to start one and a great family should be a a conspiracy where you're trying to help each other succeed i love that i mean these are ancient and with respect very obvious points exactly but I I don't think I've heard someone say him in a long time well but if we're going to build a successful culture that culture has to be good at building wealth living wealth and financial wealth both on an integrated basis so if you come to Ceri we have a curriculum called building wealth and it has six pillars and we organize all of our content into and around building wealth and um because it's it's part of what you have to build to build a culture that can really be part of real solutions so the the first pillar is free and inspired life and so you know our theory is you have a goal you have a relationship with the creator and you decide you know what's what's your free and inspired life everybody's unique um and in a decentralized world everybody is unique you you know there's no there's no formula so to speak the second one is navigation tools and that's where people get burnt so we say in navigation tools there's an official reality and then there's reality and you need to know both and reality is for the management of your time and money and the official reality is for the cocktail party and you need to not get those don't use the official reality to manage your time and money because then you're going to get I mean I clean so many people up from financial fraud and healthc care fraud because they believe the official reality so you you can't do that the third is risk management because in this kind of dangerous environment everything's about keeping your risk exactly down and that's more important than making money it's more important to lower risk than make money so in a in a in a well-governed world we'd all be you know focused on outside growth but now we're just we've got to be focused on risk preventing loss right and then the fourth is living equity and that's all living things that's people that's family that's culture that's education you know all the things that go into that and then financial equity all the things you know and then the last one is to me the most important it's called turtle forth so did you get the hat the turtle forth hat i did yeah right okay turtle forth is about never quitting you must never ever quit and the whole goal of the people who are trying to centralize is to get you to think it's hopeless and John Rapapore used to always say hopelessness is an op and it's planetwide [Laughter] well because I am I am actually struck by well by everything that you've said um I think this could be like a 9-hour conversation if we let it uh but I have one more story but I am struck also by your tone i don't think I've ever heard someone describe dark deeds with more cheerfulness like how do you how do you not go crazy so you have to keep a state of amusement i mean it it's I I really you know I one of the most breakthrough moments for me in the last 20 years was when I I realized that it was okay to be happy no matter what was going on and sometimes you can't be it's so horrible what's going on but it I'll tell you exactly when it happened i had a wonderful church where I studied spiritual warfare for two and a half years at the beginning of the litigation and it was that training that saved my life and uh but I was at a sermon and there was a co-pastor who had very long fingernails and she was very angry and she was shaking her hands with her long fingernails and you know sometimes when you're in a big church and they point right at you and she said she said she said the devil can have my house and the devil can have my car but the devil cannot have my joy and it was like I exploded in my head and I said that's it that is it that is it hey it's Tucker Carlson you may have noticed that the companies whose products you buy tend to kind of hate you they're controlled by massive multinational corporations and they have all kinds of weird agendas that you're supporting when you buy their products we didn't realize that nicotine pouches which we've used for years were in this category we just want a nicotine pouch and then they lecture you and take the money you give them to support things that you hate so we decide we're going to make our own and we did and it is we can say not bragging here just stating fact the single best nicotine pouch in the world it's called AL and it comes in all kinds of excellent flavors wintergreen tropical 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thing is really heartbreaking what's happening right now on the right I see heartbre and um so you're up against the nothing and so sometimes we'll come together in a team meeting and somebody will say "I've lost my state of amusement." And then the team's job is to help them to get it i've lost my state of I've lost my state of amusement and it happens i can't you know but it is I think of this of myself where you know I've had my amusement taken from me a number of times but I always think to myself like if you're perennially shocked by evil in the world like you're a child you're an idiot like what did you think this was like don't be naive there's a lot of evil in the world there always has been don't be shocked by it laugh in its face i You're always going to be shocked by it oh I am you're always going to be shocked by it i'll tell you why you're going to be shocked by it if you understand if you understand love you can't fathom why anyone would would reject that yes and embrace evil because it's so stupid it's so wasteful it's so un as my mother used to say it's so unnecessary you know it's just like it's um you just can't fathom why anybody would do it i I you know I I I watch the folks who are in the financial system who are deeply corrupt and just constantly take and take and take you know the the plunder team and I think how is that to me what they're doing is not fun i love you know it's not fun it's not fun when when So I will tell you I was my gift everybody has a gift my gift was an investment bank i was absolutely fantastic i was just really really good at it and the heartbreak for me was when I got had to leave the establishment i lost the ability you know it's like a painter and you lose your ability to paint you can't get access to colors anymore so but I loved it and when you do it in the right way 2 + 2 equals 20 and it's so exciting it's the best feeling in the world it's like uh Oh I've lived it yeah yeah so when Van Go it's my theory when Vanco finished a painting that what he pow it's like wow you know it's great and and you watch these guys do the fraud and destroy you know all the mortgage fraud and it destroys neighborhoods and it destroys family and it's just it's just it's like a lose lose lose and you think that's no fun no and and they're not happy i I know a number of them and um I had a conversation with Ray Dalio who I do like i don't agree with them and everything but I I do like Ray Dalio and he's got more perspective on life he had lost a child i think he was forced to kind of think through what matters and I asked him off camera recently like "Do you know I know a lot of miserable billionaires i know a couple happy billionaires but how many happy billionaires do you know?" And he's like "I know a few like I'm I'm actually pretty happy but not that many and that that's a tell right that's a tell and I I will tell you the debt is a symptom it's not the problem the what's the symptom the debt yeah the debt the debt is a simple Yeah it when there was 21 trillion missing as of 2015 when we published that study in 2017 there's 21 trillion of debt now first of all remember the Treasury can just issue currency they don't need debt to create the currency and in fact I would say historically the greatest currencies are fiat currencies that are not debt based so our problem is the debt basing but but let's just grossly oversimplify and talk about what that means with the 21 trillion so the Treasury sells pension sells Treasury bonds to our pension funds moves 21 trillion into the bank accounts at the New York Fed member banks for the Treasury they're the depository and then the 21 trillion disappears out of the back door so it's just a straw that's sucking our pension fund money into I call it the breakaway civilization and meantime we as taxpayers are now obligated to pay the debt into that we owe our pension funds and the money is gone why do you call it the breakaway civilization breakaway civilization was a term made famous by Richard Dolan and it simply described a decision to create a parallel system you know first it started with a black budget but it grew you know call it the national security state but but to build a civilization that literally was separate and not subject to the laws of the existing ones so if I'm running a company and I want to bring up new systems I'll bring up the new systems while I'm running the old and I'll run them in parallel and I'll move things over slowly and then at some point I bring the current thing down and to me that's what the financial coup was you're moving the money out of one system and and putting it in another so in theory 21 trillion is enough at a 5% you know interest rate to basically finance a a private government if you will right i'm not saying that's what happened but in theory do you think it did so when I was at HUD in 1989 it was 80 late ' 89 or early 90 I was in a meeting with the secretary and we had brought all the regional administrators in for a meeting with the secretary and um he was very upset because the regional administrator from California had implemented something in response to a court decision and there was a court case in the court of appeals and they decided okay you got to go to the right and so he had implemented that and um the secretary was having literally like a manic episode screaming a huge temper tantrum screaming at him and finally this guy said but Mr secretary it's the law and he just exploded with fury and he said "The law the law i don't have to obey the law i report to a higher moral authority." And just at that moment it was like remember the scene in Eyes Wide Shut when you first walk in on the you know the secret society doing their occult ritual you know you had this image of oh you know he literally he he doesn't have to obey the laws of the United States he's operating under a different governance structure people feel that way right and that you know there there many um there's a very famous story of Lincoln um when he's talking about his what he wants to do to implement the reconstruction policies and he tells a story about a young child saying you know if I throw the fish back will get mad at me but if I um if I uh if it slips from my hand accidentally and you grab it then dad won't be mad at me and the implication of the story is that Lincoln has a dad that he he can't buck and and you know we're back to the question who's dad it's the same question as who's Mr global and you've never gotten closer to the answer or you've never settled on an answer i Here's my guess so we did I once did a two-hour interview on the Celery Report on who is Mr global where we go through all the different theories so I think literally you have intergenerational pools of capital which meet and work by consensus you know it's a committee system and they do have a set of rules and what I don't understand I think their challenge is they're risk managers and they're they're constantly pulling out a lot of money and they always need to get that dividend and the question is why do they need the dividend where's the money going cuz they're constantly running the financial system to extract extra money there's always disappearing money and the question is why and where's it going and you think it's going to infrastructure projects i think it's going to infrastructure projects i think it's going to big investments like you know building the control grid is a big one and one of my questions on the financial coup is are they literally setting up an endowment so they can run you know the world on a global governance that's a dictatorship with an endowment so it's the you know it's it's a bigger endowment than anybody else's um you said a couple minutes ago that the debt the our the US government's debt which I think even people are not interested in the stuff are aware that it's it's it's there and that it's a problem is not the problem it's a symptom what did what did you mean we if you look at our current model um it is not being run on an economic basis and it's getting much worse and it's getting worse steadily so let me give you an example our military budget this year is approximately 850 billion and the president wants to take it or the secretary of defense is saying we've got to take it to a trillion our HHS budget is 1.8 trillion dr skidmore just did an analysis if we went back to 2010 levels of disability we would lower that by half a trillion dollars half a trillion half a trillion so America is I call it the great poisoning we've poisoned ourselves and it's blowing the budget and it's not just blowing the budget of the federal government if you look at family budgets it's blowing their budgets you know poison people are not productive and and their health care costs can be very expensive and you see that at the federal level and you see that at the state level the local level and the family level that's got to be dealt with but you know if if you look at the budget right now it's expenses are skyrocketing and and it's skyrocketing because the fundamental model of what we do and how we do it it helps decentralize but it's not economic and so you got to change that now what we do and how we do it do you mean how we live right so now I get to tell you my last story okay I can't Okay this is called the red button story and if you put my name in on the internet you'll get you know a copy of the story because it happened to me in 2000 i was asked by a healthc care practitioner to give a presentation called How the Money Works on Organized Crime and it later became a very famous article called Narco Dollars for Beginners and it was meant to be a light funny description of the intersection of organized crime flows with Washington and Wall Street so my book I have an online book called Dylan Reed and the aristocracy of stock profits that is a case study that teaches people it's designed to be like a business school's case study that shows you that intersection between illegal cash flows and Wall Street and Washington anyway so I'm in the middle of the speech and I'm describing the congressional testimony on the Dark Alliance allegations that happened in 1998 and at the time I was helping a reporter um do research and she was covering the hearings and a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told her so I'm in the middle of the speech and there are about a hundred people and we're the conference that where I'm speaking is um a conference that happens once a year by this group and the focus is on how we evolve our society spiritually so this is a very spiritually committed group of people who want to evolve our society spiritually okay so I'm describing the um the fact that a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told this reporter I was helping that the US economy launderers 500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all illegal money so that's narcotics trafficking that's financial fraud that's you know everything it's human trafficking and um and the number is now much much bigger but they were describing the fact that the US economy and financial system is the leader globally in laundering dirty money so I said to this wonderful group of spiritually evolved people what would happen if we stopped being the global leader in money laundering and we had a little conversation they said "Well you know the money would leave the New York Stock Exchange and go to Singapore or Zurich or London." Um and and we'd have we might have trouble financing the government deficit because we you know now we borrow over half of the money currently um and and so we we you know our taxes might go up or our government checks might stop so I said "Okay let's pretend there's a big red button up here on the lectern and if you push that button um you can stop all hard hard narcotics trafficking in your town your county your state tomorrow thus offending the people who control 500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all dirty money in the accumulated capital thereon who here will push the button and out of a 100 people dedicated to evolving our society spiritually guess how many would push the button i don't know one the other 99 would not push the button so I said "Wouldn't keep all those kids from dying?" Yeah it would so wait so So I said to them I said "Why would you not push the button?" So we had a little conversation and they said "We don't want our taxes to go up we don't want our government checks to stop and we don't want our 401ks and IAS to go down." So if I had voted there would have been two pushing the red button so what I discovered that day the problem was that not that they wouldn't push the red button but they wouldn't go into the invention room and have a an honest conversation about what the real problem was and how I call it how we turn the red button green how we make money pushing the red button because then we can push the red button and you have to push the red button because you cannot become wealthy liquidating your children you cannot become wealthy by poisoning your children and your people and yet that's what we've been doing in America for decades now and now here's the political problem if you're the new president of the United States and you walk into the Oval Office your political guy is going to say to you "Mr president the American people just spent billions getting you voted in as president and now they want payback they want their government contract they want their privatization they want the cola increase on social security they want a community block development grant and you're going to turn to your secretary of treasury he says "Well you better be nice to the people who control 500 billion trillion dollars and the accumulated capital there on." And of course the number's much bigger now now how are you going to press the red button you can't and if you look at the history of politics in America the history is everybody wants their check and they want the story of I am good i'm a good Christian i'm not doing any of this corrupt organized crime stuff you know i'm just voting you know so so I say it this way when Goldwater the end of World War II George Keenan said "We got 6% of the people and 50% of the resources and we're going to have to be tough if we keep this going." So Goldwater ran for president he said "We're going to have to drop a lot of bombs." And the American people said "Oh no we don't want to do that we're good Christians." So Jimmy Carter came along and he shivered in front of the fireplace and Americans said "Oh no we don't want to do that we don't want to cut back." And so the Bushes came along and said "You know something you all are good Christians here's your check don't ask questions." And that's where we've been everybody wants the story of I am good and the problem you can you can push the red button you can turn it green but it has to be done one neighborhood at a time you need to take all the money in a place and instead of spending the government money to centralize control and on the control grid you need to re-engineer it to build real wealth and and you've got to decentralize the economic power if you centralize and you create lots of billionaires you're going to shrink the pie and that's what we've been doing and we've been making money from poisoning each other if people want to learn more about your research and your views on things if they want to know about the 11 years you spent fighting the feds for uh blowing the whistle on them where do they where do they get that information so we publish the Careri report it's salary.com si.com and we have a subscription service and we have a lot of free you know so if you want to get to know us you can come in and you can learn tremendous amounts from the free stuff we'd love to have you as a subscriber and um we have a great group of subscribers we have What happened to me was I I fell into this because I had terrible terrible experiences with the corporate media and um and so I just started doing shows and giving out my email and saying "If you have a question ask me." And over many years the questions would come in and we'd publish the answers and you know it'd go on and on it went on for free for a long time and then finally I got so many questions that I would just you know I finally said I need to hire people but we have this global network of subscribers and audience who get on the site share comments they're brilliant and we help each other figure figure things out and we've literally become an intelligence network you know and it's all people who want to be free and they all understand one can't be free unless we're all free you know this is an all orno thing they either get the control grid or we're free and the only way we're going to be free is if everybody's free it's an all or nothing deal and there are a lot of people now who understand this and are gathering and you know so I have many subscribers i don't I just know from what they say I have many subscribers who are your subscribers because they feel and I feel you're on the same journey yeah i'm just not a very systematic thinker so um a lot of I my instincts tell me that you're telling the truth and of course I agree completely with your orientation i just my brain doesn't work that way uh so it's been a a true pleasure to hear all of this thank you well thank you i I love your work so thank you i've been a I've been a subscriber from the very beginning underground bases you're blowing my mind katheris thank you very much thank you [Music] so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing this show on one level that's not surprising that's what they do but on another level it's shocking with everything that's going on in the world right now all the change taking place in our economy and our politics with the wars we're on the cusp of fighting right now Google has decided you should have less information rather than more and that is totally wrong it's immoral what can you do about it well we could whine about it that's a waste of time we're not in charge of Google or we could find a way around it a way that you could actually get information that is true not intentionally deceptive the way to do that on YouTube we think is to subscribe to our channel subscribe hit the little bell icon to be notified when we upload and share this video that way you'll have a much higher chance of hearing actual news and information so we hope that you'll do1: